blkswizz wrote:As dissapointed as we fans may be, our frustration should be directed to one person and one person alone Bruce Ratner.
I can't agree with you. Ratner lost 90% of his net worth since the economy tanked. He, and his parent company are in strains. If it was you or me, we would also choose self preservation over bankruptcy. He's doing only what he must. Yeah, it sucks being a Nets fan, but it is not his fault. Thousands of companies, including over a 100 big banks actually closed. You're talking about a basketball team.
Before this, we had a top 10 payroll.
cpawfan wrote: Look at the level of incompetence of the GM's that passed over him after the top 4 picks. Portland's old GM passed on Deron and CP3 to trade down. Raptors (Babcock) need I say more? Zeke, the Bobcats hoping for UNC fans to fill the arena, the Clippers, Kevin McHale. Seriously, that was a horrible group of GM's
I'm not saying that other GMs are geniuses, but for one, judging Thorn for passing on Danny Granger is just silly. Like I said, mid-first round picks are more about luck than skill. Can you name one GM who consistently got those right?
BTW - Zeke's draft record isn't too bad.
As some astute person pointed out over and over that summer, McInnis created a lot of trouble late in the season and had completely pissed off LeBron. He was horrible in Portland and was selfish in Cleveland. He was not at all what the Nets needed.
Pissing off Lebron was extremely easy back then. Lebron used to shake his head every time his teammate made a single booboo.
Also, there's a big difference of playing with Lebron vs. playing with Kidd. Kidd has generally helped people stay on the right track. Sure - kudos to you for predicting that McInnis will self destruct. It still could have went the other way too.
He was putrid in Portland. He was DOA in New Jersey. A D league scrub could have contributed more than Magloire and that was obvious before the season started. The MLE could have been used on a shooter.
Obvious to who? I remember that season there were a lot of threads about whether or not.
If it's so obvious, why did Riley sign him afterwards? Rod knew what he was getting into - a player past his prime who is a risk. That was exactly why he got a ONE year deal worth 4m.
This has nothing to do with his knees. It was very clear from his play that season in Sacramento that he wasn't a difference maker. Heck, he was super motivated to prove the Nets were fools for passing on him and he still played like a below average PF for the Kings. Smart people knew in advance that SAR wasn't the missing the piece.
No one is saying he's an All-NBA player. But I'd definitely take a veteran big man who shoots a good %, can rebound and is a decent defender, especially since he'd automatically become our best big. I'd take him a heartbeat over Jackson and Murray.
He failed to trade Vince when his value was at the peak.
Ah this old debate. After we traded Kidd, is it safe to say that we knew Carter wont be on the team for much longer? This is a fair assumption, correct? If it is so, Rodd must have tried to trade Carter immediately or at the same time he was trading Kidd. The reason he didn't points to lack of decent offers. Him trading Carter a year later is a clear sign that: 1) That was the best offer he's received in a year, or 2) average offers he was getting for Carter were getting lower and lower. Thus he traded him away before he was forced to add our young talent to get rid of him.
I personally thought that a pure salary dump was the best he could have done in trading Carter. I mean, that's what Toronto did, and he was 3 years younger then.
He thought he could build a championship team around 3 perimeter players that didn't fit together and he never addressed the weaknesses in the roster.
Everybody knew that 3 perimeter players is not a good combo. But do you expect there was a reasonable opportunity to change that? If we traded Carter or RJ for a big man, we would have received an average starter PF in exchange, nothing more. People dont trade high caliber big men for perimeter players.
Also, he tried to address the issue many times - from Mutombo to Zo, to Shareef and Magloire. Scott didn't like Mutombo, Zo acted like a little girl and Shareef didn't pass the physical. Magloire was discussed. Are these his signing, ideas and mistakes? Sure. Did he have opportunity to get someone better? I seriously doubt it.
He mismanaged Krstic coming back to the NBA.
You're blaming Thorn for Krstic?
He had Diop when he was considered a commodity.
Dude, Mavs offered him 35m and wouldn't agree to a S&T - what do you expect Thorn to do? His only choice was to shrug and say "wow, you guys are complete fools, but there's nothing I can do".
He failed to leave roster spots open to allow for maneuverability
If there was someone of quality available, trust me, he would have no problems cutting Padgetts, LJ3s, Hassans or Murrays.
Other teams found useful players in the D League or signed undrafted free agents that panned out. For a team on a budget, those are two huge failings. The players Rod took a chance on all sucked. That isn't luck.
You're completely disregarding players that have succeeded with us - Mikki Moore, Athony Johnson, Eddie House, Boki come to mind.
Also, there are only 2 GMs who have gotten quality players in those positions - Morey and Buford, and even those guys made mistakes.
I can understand and agree with some of your beliefs - as in, he signed a ton of guys who sucked, failed to draft a decent player, or didn't trade RJ/Carter in time. But when I take a step back and ask "what else could he have done?" There really isn't that much choice. He tried to draft NBA-ready players who can help the team immediately, he signed best FAs he could and tried out a ton of unproven/undrafted players in hopes of finding a gem.